Christ on a bike, I fail to see how what I said relates to this in any way at all. (Also, I'm not 18, not sure if that's what you were implying). I have a problem with people getting slammed for liking music that isn't "pure metal" or that fans of music outside that definition are "posers" or "bad" or whatever. I was referring my only to things said in this thread, not to the culture in general. But, if you don't like that music evolves and think genre lines should be stringently adhered to and kept separate from one another -- well, we're never going to agree on that.
Not to worry - I'll clarify the matter for you.
To be honest, I don't even remember making that post... went out for a couple drinks with a coworker last night, a couple turned into how many? and I'm not even sure how I got home. Regardless, I can still stand by what I say.
You're familiar with Godwin's Law? Maybe nobody's put a name to it, but you could coin a similar law for pretty much any Metal forum.. two fans disagree, one is going to throw out the word "elitist" like it's some kind of magical card which ends the argument then and there. 99 times out of 100, that's how it gets used. So, yeah, I don't hide my contempt for those folks, especially since it's the Johnny-come-lately sorts who usually end up being the ones to do it. Are there legitimate instances? Sure, but, for the most part, people use it as an emergency exit. So, I feel I'm in a position to be dismissive of it, and I'm going to be.
Doesn't matter if they're 18 or in their 40s.. all age groups have their fly-by-nighters, whether it's the 15 year-old who downloaded the entire Darkthrone discography and decided he was suddenly the most evil thing since evil itself, or the 30-something who jumped into it in the midst of a midlife crisis.. "umm... yeah, sure, I was always here.. no, really". It's not to say that they should be excluded, but both sorts seem hell bent on taking a mile for every inch given.
As for music evolving, there's evolving, and there's watering down. When music scenes which are basically a continuation of the Alt/Grunge scene from the 90s are suddenly flooding these 'Metal' publications, that's not Metal evolving - that's the music industry trying to force it in because they figure they can turn a buck by calling it 'Metal' and passing it off as something more extreme by having that label attached to it. Same thing with bands which basically play pop music behind a thin veil of guitars.... if rejecting that is elitist in your eyes, I'm not really inclined to give two shits. More than likely, you and those who object so adamantly will have jumped ship and gone onto other things five or ten years from now. So, those who find themselves dismissed in such a way like to call it elitism. The reality of it is, we've seen you people come and go, so why are we supposed to suddenly expect otherwise?
And, as for Floor, I can stand by what I said in my post last night, as well. If it's not her thing, it's not her thing. Those of us who've been in it for more than day realize that not every band is going to sit the right way with everyone, and aren't going to be upset in any way about it... personally, I've been lukewarm at best about everything Slayer's released since Divine Intervention, and I mean lukewarm only at absolute best on a good day, and a lot of others who were into Slayer before that album are going to feel the same way... do you really expect that those who have such sentiment and aren't particularly bashful about expressing it are going to suddenly be upset that someone shares in that same sentiment and decide they need to go on the warpath over it? Color me skeptical on that. I expect it's going to be mostly the Johnny-Come-Lately folk like the aforementioned kid who found his 'inner Satan' by downloading the Darkthrone discography and now feels like they have something to prove to the world. The reality is, many of us who get slammed as elitists for not walking lock-in-step with the newcomers who think they're Metal gods or whatever are every bit as opposed to this shit as those of you trying to pin the blame on us for it.